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Salams,
I would like to write applications for C# with a light weight compiler other than VS. Which one do you guys recommend? Thanks in advance.

Wa 'Alaikom Salam,

There is the Mono Project bro, it's cross-platformed and can be run on all of Windows/Linux/MacOS and plus it's Open Source and Free, there is a dilemma in this as being a Novell Product and M$ is fully indulged in the contract but who cares since you're already on M$ Windows

Try it, and report back and it has a nice IDE by the way.

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Yeah I downloaded it and it failed to work! I downloaded a 77 mb version and Im curious as to what the setup file's size is that or not. I also tried #develop( sharpdevelop). Its kinda nice and it works fine.
I got Microsoft Visual C# 2010 Express, and I am kinda in love with it( its free for evaluation). It has intellisense and lots of great features. I also want to join dreamspark programme by Microsoft. They give you professional software for free that would otherwise be for pay. What does MS plan to get from that do you think bro?

Micro Soft's trying to get back to the Academic world, the Open Source movement smashed it like an egg on a rock, it was losing it because of the monopoly policy they admire to implement wherever they go or do, Linux took place instead and shined in the global universities, that's what's OS Dev is all about, as if there exists none but Linux and Unix, and it was due to the availability of their Source Codes to study and develop.

That's the story that Microsoft didn't give a heck about thinking it's for amateurs and students to play with, but guess what?

The amateurs becomes pros after a couple of years and countries backed Open Source projects like the Minix3 backed by EU with millions if not billions of Euros, China backed the ARM Linux and we saw the ucLinux and the likes which boost the Embedded Devices' market that promotes various devices featuring Linux like Set Top Boxes, Modems/Routers, Phones, Netbooks...etc, just like how does the beautiful Samsung HTC run Android (Linux) which overpassed the iPhone in many things and features, Intel drops Windows and started a new dedicated project with more flexibility called Moblin Linux and so on, IBM long ago drops Windows too, Oracle chose RedHat Linux and lately they acquired SUN Mirosystems.

And now linux is pushing into the Desktop Market Share like how Ubuntu is doing proudly and fairly in front of everybody's eyes, and that attracted more companies to port their Applications to the Nix platform, The Foundry NukeX as an Example, Foundry Mari, Autodesk Combustion/Maya/Soft Image XSI/Inferno/Flame/Flare/Flint/Smoke/Toxic, Houdini Master...etc they were just a simple illustration of the greatest CGI VFX tools ever to use nowadays who chose Linux, and it made some big studios that run thousands of nodes to convert to Linux, all this caused Micro Soft to lose billions of dollars yearly! Stupids!

Anyway, they're trying so desperately to gain their place back in the market starting from the ground that is the newbies of today = the professionals of tomorrow, who are the students, and MS's trying now to bring their attention to offer them free developing tools in order to gain more ideas/tools/projects to market/devices...etc because again with their supremacy complex they give you the tools to squeeze your brain hard and produce the best you can produce, and then you'll be surprised after you'll find finally that you can't sell or make money with what have you created?????

It belongs to MS although you're the creator, they are hiring more talents for free and that's the reality people won't like to see, they have even released a modified fully working Kernel for Windows 2003/XP x64 in an attempt to create an OS Dev course in Universities based on the Windows Platform without giving you the right to make anything of it just code and send them what you've done and it's done, it's called the WRK 1.2 (Windows Research Kernel 1.2), how cheap they are?

That's what you get by developing on their so called free platform, you'll be owned by the Matrix without knowing you're already an Agent bro!

I hope that clarifies a little bit of what they're trying to do.

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Bro are you sure what you are talking about? In essence you are saying that if I use 'free' Microsoft tools that tomorrow I can't market applications I develop by using them because they 'belong' to Microsoft? Is that in the EULA or something? What about using cracked versions of their development tools?
This also brings up this issue: what about using 'open source' IDE for developing .net applications? Does it mean that even now I will be a slave for M$?

How can I create apps in .net and market it globally without having to give a dime to m$?

You can't use any educational tools for commercial use, read the End User License Agreement and see.

Marketing yours with that or with a cracked version depends on your morality or point of view, but if you get busted you'll be sued and asked to pay for a redemption of the loss you caused them, if you sell less they won't bother to spend a cent on you but if you grow bigger after years, you should be prepared to pay millions of $ that will make you broke again.

It's not just about the IDE, you can write your sources even on the Notepad but the whole suit of tools what matters (Compilers, Linkers, Debuggers...etc)

The best solution is to use Mono, I don't know what goes with you last time, but I tried it in the past on an XP machine and works great, I used the Sharp Compiler on XP before Mono.

For now try to migrate slowly towards a Linux Distro ( Ubuntu for Ex ) and try more open sources solutions.

Java's good too by the way and Eclipse rocks, plus there are plenty of IDEs on Linux.

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I will move officially to Linux when School reopens in a few weeks. Be prepared to be flooded with tons of help requests...

Good to hear

And finally...

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